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PostSubject: We are ruled by Canaanites!   Fri May 25, 2018 10:25 am



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PostSubject: Re: We are ruled by Canaanites!   Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:43 pm

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/esau-edom-and-the-red-dragon.1330310/

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There is only one man in all of Scripture, only one person in the entire Bible for whom Yahweh (Hebrew name of God) declares His personal hatred. That man’s name is Esau, the elder twin brother of Jacob. 

KJV Malachi 1:1-5
1 The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, the border of wickedness, and, the people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever.

And again in the New Testament:

KJV Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

KJV Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 

(From the Strong's Concordance) 123 אדום or אדם ‘edom , n.pr.m. Edom, referring to a person and his ancestral territory S.E. of the Dead Sea, “red”:- Edom [87], Edomites [9], Idumea [4]

In Hebrew Gematria/Numerology, Esau Amalek equals 616.

Some manucripts of Revelation have the number of the beast as 616 rather 666. See http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/skepticism/616666.html
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http://www.sda-online.com/public/666.htm
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For those of you who don't know, Amalek was a grandson of Esau (see KJV Genesis 36:12). His descendants were those whom Yahweh God pledged to obliterate[Deuteronomy 25:19) and later commanded King Saul to utterly destroy (1 Samuel 15:1-3], even down to their children and animals.

Now please read the words of the prophets Malachi and Obadiah:

KJV Malachi 1:1-5
1 The burden of the word of the LORD [YHWH, Yahweh] to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places [build the modern nation-state of Pseudo-Israel]; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, the border of wickedness, and, the people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.
5 And your eyes shall see, and ye shall say, The LORD will be magnified from the border of Israel.


Obadiah [means servant of Yahweh, just as Ebed-Yahweh does] 1

1:1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle. 
1:2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised. 
1:3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? 
1:4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD. 
1:5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off !) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes? 
1:6 How are the things of Esau searched out ! how are his hidden things sought up ! 
1:7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him. 
1:8 Shall I not in that day, saith the LORD, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau
1:9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esaumay be cut off by slaughter. 
1:10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever. 
1:11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them. 
1:12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger [more literallly, "the day of his disaster/misfortune". Neker (spelled nun-khaf-resh) means misfortune or disaster according to the Hebrew dictionary of the Strong's Concordance (see listing #5235). It is close to the Hebrew for "stranger" nekar (spelled the same but pronounced slightly differently), which may be the cause of the mistranslation here.]; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress [See, it makes more sense if neker is translated as disaster or misfortune]. 
1:13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity; 
1:14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress. 
1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. 
1:16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been. 
1:17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions. 
1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it. 
1:19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead. 
1:20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south. 
1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

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Revelation 2:8-9
2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 
2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 

Revelation 3:7
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

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Simply because someone calls himself a Jew does not prove that he is a true physical descendant of Jacob/Israel. Just as people from many different races and nationalities are referred to as Americans merely by virtue of their being a United States citizen, so the Romans also referred to all the inhabitants of Judea as Judeans (Jews in modern parlance), regardless of whether they were Israelites by blood or not.

"John Hyrcanus conquered the whole of Edom and undertook the forced conversion of its inhabitants to Judaism (Joseph., Ant. XIII, 9, 1). Thenceforth the Edomites became a section of the Jewish people." (Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 6, (1971), p. 378; The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia (1977), p. 589).

"Thus, at this juncture of time the Edomites 'were incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans 'Idumea' (Mark 3:8; Ptolemy, 'Geography,' v. 16)." (The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. V. (1904), p. 41).


Flavius Josephus Antiquities of the Jews Book XIII

CONTAINING THE INTERVAL OF EIGHTY-TWO YEARS, 
FROM THE DEATH OF JUDAS MACCABEUS TO THE DEATH OF QUEEN ALEXANDRA.

CHAPTER 9. 
HOW, AFTER THE DEATH OF ANTIOCHUS, HYRCANUS MADE AN EXPEDITION AGAINST SYRIA, AND MADE A LEAGUE WITH THE ROMANS. CONCERNING THE DEATH OF KING DEMETRIUS AND ALEXANDER. 
1. BUT when Hyrcanus heard of the death of Antiochus, he presently made an expedition against the cities of Syria, hoping to find them destitute of fighting men, and of such as were able to defend them. However, it was not till the sixth month that he took Medaba, and that not without the greatest distress of his army. After this he took Samega, and the neighboring places; and besides these, Shechem and Gerizzim, and the nation of the Cutheans, who dwelt at the temple which resembled that temple which was at Jerusalem, and which Alexander permitted Sanballat, the general of his army, to build for the sake of Manasseh, who was son-in-law to Jaddua the high priest, as we have formerly related; which temple was now deserted two hundred years after it was built. Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans [Edomites, descendants of Esau]; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews. 

KJV Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 

Flavius Josephus The Wars of the Jews 
Or
The History of the Destruction of Jerusalem Book II

CONTAINING THE INTERVAL OF SIXTY-NINE YEARS. 
FROM THE DEATH OF HEROD TILL VESPASIAN WAS SENT TO SUBDUE THE JEWS BY NERO.

CHAPTER 8. 
ARCHELAUS'S ETHNARCHY IS REDUCED INTO A [ROMAN] PROVINCE. THE SEDITION OF JUDAS OF GALILEE. THE THREE SECTS. 

2. For there are three philosophical sects among the Jews. The followers of the first of which are the Pharisees; of the second, the Sadducees; and the third sect, which pretends to a severer discipline, are called Essenes. These last are Jews by birth, and seem to have a greater affection for one another than the other sects have. These Essenes reject pleasures as an evil, but esteem continence, and the conquest over our passions, to be virtue. They neglect wedlock, but choose out other persons children, while they are pliable, and fit for learning, and esteem them to be of their kindred, and form them according to their own manners. They do not absolutely deny the fitness of marriage, and the succession of mankind thereby continued; but they guard against the lascivious behavior of women, and are persuaded that none of them preserve their fidelity to one man.

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Rothschild is German for "Red Shield".

Please examine the following links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0842506.html
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/r/rothsch.asp
http://73.1911encyclopedia.org/R/RO/ROTHSCHILD.htm
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Nathan_Mayer_Rothschild,_1st_Baron_Rothschild
http://www.ldolphin.org/edom.html
http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/Opry/2092/Destruct.html#Idumeans
http://www.bartleby.com/65/es/Esau.html
http://www.bartleby.com/65/ed/Edom.html
http://www.reference-guides.com/isbe/E/EDOM_EDOMITES/
http://www.oldtestamentstudies.net/patriarchs/esaugenealogy.htm
http://www.ancientroute.com/empire/idumea.htm
http://www.bible-history.com/jesus/jesusuntitled00000374.htm
]http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=457&letter=E]
http://www.bible-history.com/maps/edomites.html
http://www.missiontoisrael.org/ishmael,edom,israel.php
http://www.zianet.com/maxey/Proph4.htm
http://www.apfn.net/edomites.htm
http://www.christianisrael.com/overview/e1.htm

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What you have posted makes for some interesting reading, and is rather thought provoking. However, as some of the postings have said, G-d has an eternal, unconditional covenant with the Jewish people. Not all of the promises related to the Abrahamic Covenant and the subsequent addendums have been fulfilled.

Your postings and the information on the links that you included seem to come to the conclusion that the only true Jews today have to be Christians. This does not track with Scripture. In the last days we know that there will be at the very least 144,000 virgins male Jews, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes, who will be witnesses to Jesus/Yahwah during the Tribulation. While there may still be some with roots in Edom and Idumea, I don't believe that all who call themselves Jews today are really descendants of Esau and not of Jacob.

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What you have posted makes for some interesting reading, and is rather thought provoking. However, as some of the postings have said, G-d has an eternal, unconditional covenant with the Jewish people. Not all of the promises related to the Abrahamic Covenant and the subsequent addendums have been fulfilled.

Your postings and the information on the links that you included seem to come to the conclusion that the only true Jews today have to be Christians. This does not track with Scripture. In the last days we know that there will be at the very least 144,000 virgins male Jews, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes, who will be witnesses to Jesus/Yahwah during the Tribulation. While there may still be some with roots in Edom and Idumea, I don't believe that all who call themselves Jews today are really descendants of Esau and not of Jacob.

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I don't claim that all modern-day Jews are actually descendants of Esau. Some of them may be true Israelites. Only Yahweh God knows for sure. Also, I don't believe that all blood-Israelites will become Christian. But J do believe that someone physically descended from Abraham/Isaac/Jacob is more likely to become Christian than someone who is not.

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