Apologies for focusing too much on one point of one subject. I do have many topics that I would like to discuss on your forum and in different writing styles

However I see an opportunity for significant progress in mutual understanding on this point.

I believe that you have a wealth of experience in many areas and so have a great and justifiable self-confidence as you have no doubt communicated with many people of a much lesser understanding.. just as I myself have a lesser understanding than yours regarding many subjects.

Therefore you have perhaps, confident in your overall insights, been too quick to dismiss some of my carefully worded examples. Examples which will actually be found to be self evidently true if studied a little more deeply with a sincere open minded patience.

Your statement here:

"36 is only a triangle number because it fits within our man-made number matrix and because we use a base 10 system."

is not correct as you can see because as said the properties of the 36 are in no way dependent on the base used to write it. Base 10 in relation to 36 means that the number can be partitioned into 3 lots of 10 and 6 lots of 1. So the base is really a system of notation although as said each base

*is* like a lens

whereby number properties/relationships can be studied.

If we have 36 apples and know nothing about base 10 then we can still observe that those apples may

be arranged into the perfect triangle shape ( 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 ) and also a perfect square shape ( 6 by 6 ). That triangle shape (that I recommend you illustrate yourself with dots on paper) has nothing really to do with base 10.

A similar example would be that 9 is a square number. Clearly it does not matter what symbol we attach to the quantity of 9 or what base notation system we use to write it. The quantity of 9 can be divided into 3 equal groups of 3 therefore it is a square number.

If we study Partitions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_(number_theory)

we can put the concept of number bases into a more proper perspective.

The quantity of 9 in binary is: '1001' which means 1 eight, and 1 unit of one if you know what I mean?

so 9 (as we write it in base 10) can be partitioned as 8+1.

9 in base 3 is: '100' which means of the columns 9,3 and 1 of base 3 only 1 lot of the 3rd column is needed.

9 in base 4 is: '21' because 9 can be partitioned as two lots of 4 plus a 1.

9 in base 5 is: '14' which means one lot of 5 with 4 left over.

9 in base 6 is: '13' which means one lot of 6 with 3 left over.

9 in base 7 is: '12' which means one lot of 7 with 2 left over.

9 in base 8 is: '11' which means one lot of 8 with 1 left over.

9 in base 9 is: '10' which means one lot of 9 with 0 left over.

In base 10 and

**all other** higher bases along the integer sequence the number 9 has its own symbol.

Anyway, essentially whatever base is used it is just showing a way that the quantity of '9' can be partitioned.

In

**no way **does the base used affect the property that the number 9 has ie is a square number in this example.

It is just the same with the properties of 36 or any other number. The way the quantity is noted down for convenience in a particular base will not change the inherent properties of that number which are

**eternal**.

As you say here:

"If all this abstraction had any deeper significance and could reveal ultimate truths then the Masons who revel in all this stuff wouldn't be dumb and they wouldn't be evil, and they are both."

The majority of such people are not in great shape. In my view a fine mind and character are needed along with serious study. In the Kali Yuga the teachings have become distorted and the students have become dull in general. The lower masons are getting distorted teachings and perhaps the majority of higher masons have also lost the correct understanding. Along with the distorted teachings they are not yet fit to discern the true from the false.

Mathematics/sacred geometry, Kabbalistic and occult teachings can often become a dreadful intellectual maze whereby people become lost and waste their time. In general I am recommending

spiritual people study the simple teachings and pure life of Sri Ramana Maharshi and a few other such

self realized beings.

However I still maintain that just as our true nature is eternal so are the mathematical truths. It is Rta in the Rig Veda:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B9%9Ata

or the Tao (eg the patterns in the 64 hexagrams of the I Ching etc...mathematical permutations of yin and yang).

perhaps we can say it is latent in the non-dual but appears manifest within dualistic realms.

Therefore as these truths are eternal it is beneficial to study them. Your point about the masons would

be more valid if these secret societies had a full grasp of the subject but it seems they don't, they have only fragments and a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing especially when being influenced

by negative thought forms and deceptive entities.

Slight distortions in understanding at the very abstract level filter down and can malform peoples' everyday beliefs, warp their emotions and impact on physical health also.

We can help by deepening our own understanding of all these subjects such that we can easily point out errors in their beliefs and so burn away the mental defilements via the sacred fire of awareness.